Tough-1 1200D Snuggit Turnout 300g

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Product Summary:

Tough1® 1200 Denier Waterproof Poly Turnout Blanket With Adjustable Snuggit Neck

Protect your horse against the winter climate! This Tough1® Turnout Blanket is waterproof and breathable, allowing your horse to stay comfortable in many weather conditions. The adjustable Snuggit neck easily adjusts to create a custom fit. A double-sewn heavy nylon binding secures material and provides additional durability. The reinforced, double-sewn stress points offer additional reinforcement to help prevent tears, while the fleece wither helps provide protection from rubbing. Action shoulder gussets allow for freedom of movement and help to prevent shoulder rubbing. The adjustable elastic leg straps help to secure the blanket and prevent from shifting from side to side, and the tail cover provides additional protection from moisture.

Features:

  • 1200 Denier Poly, heavy material strength, recommended for horses that may bite or chew on blanket or horses turned out with a companion or in groups (material may tear or rip if caught on a nail, rough fencing, or thorns from bushes)
  • 300g Polyfill provides medium/heavy warmth and protection from wind and rain
  • 210 Denier Poly lining prevents rubbing and helps to keep the coat shiny while preventing hair, shavings, and straw from sticking to the inside of the blanket
  • Waterproof, coated outer shell with taped seams and seamless spine repels water to keep your horse dry
  • Breathable and designed to allow moisture vapor to pass wick away from the horse and preventing sweating while retaining body heat and repelling outside coldness
  • Double buckle front closure Velcro straps featuring rust-resistant nickel hardware
  • Easily adjustable low cross adjustable surcingle with T-Lock fastener to ensure proper fit (see blanket fitting guide)
Item Specifications:

Material:
1200D Polyester

Fill:
300g

Weight:
Heavyweight

Sizes:
69", 72", 75", 78", 81", 84"

Colors:
Burgundy
Grey
Hunter Green
Navy Blue
Purple
Red
Royal Blue
Turquoise
Tan
Sea Glass

Measuring Instructions:
Stand your horse as square as possible, and measure from the center of chest around side of the body to the point of the horse's rump just before the tail. If your horse ends up measuring between sizes. always round up to the next size to ensure full coverage.

Washing Instructions:
Machine wash with cold water, gentle cycle with mild detergent. Air dry or machine dry/no heat.

Horses Turned Outside Without Shelter:
Tough1® Turnout Sheet and Blanket materials are waterproof and designed to keep your horse dry. However, if your horse is turned out in a field without a run in shed or shelter during prolonged rain or heavy downpours, your horse may still get wet, especially in the neck and tail areas.
When using a blanket or sheet it is critical to monitor the fluctuating climate and temperatures, even with a blanket that is waterproof and breathable. The wicking properties of a breathable blanket are designed to wick away normal body heat. When a blanket is too heavy, the heat and moisture cannot be wicked away fast enough, causing your horse to sweat. The temperature and the length of your horse’s coat will determine what weight of blanket you should use. For this reason, most people who choose to blanket horses have several articles of horse clothing that offer varying levels of warmth.
When selecting a blanket, take into account your horse’s behavior, environment, or other horses that may be turned out with your horse. The lower the Denier number, the less strength the material has. 420 Denier and 600 Denier are not recommended for horses that bite, chew, or rub on blankets, or for horses turned out with a companion or in a group.
Always ensure your horse’s blanket is properly fitted and all straps are adjusted correctly. If a blanket is too tight or too loose, straps may break and material may tear. For younger horses or horses turned out with a companion or in groups, it is recommended to purchase 1200 Denier or 1680 Denier material, as these are stronger materials and are less likely to tear.
Certain types of fencing, such as barbwire, or foreign objects, such as nails, will easily tear any blanket no matter what the denier. Always inspect the area in which your horse is kept to remove any nails or jagged fencing that may cause damage. There are no horse blankets that are guaranteed to not rip or tear.

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78In Burgundy E005430 078 PLM 32-2120S-8-78 688499497381
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78In Red E005430 078 RED 32-2120S-5-78 688499494342
78In Royal Blue E005430 078 RYL 32-2120S-4-78 688499490733
78In Sea Glass E005430 078 SEA 32-2120S-34-78 688499592161
78In Tan E005430 078 TAN 32-2120S-17-78 688499497572
78In Turquoise E005430 078 TUR 32-2120S-14-78 688499497510
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81In Hunter Green E005430 081 HTR 32-2120S-6-81 688499494410
81In Navy E005430 081 NVY 32-2120S-9-81 688499497640
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81In Sea Glass E005430 081 SEA 32-2120S-34-81 688499592178
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84In Tan E005430 084 TAN 32-2120S-17-84 688499497596
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Product Reviews by Customers

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I have been using Tough-1 1200 denier blankets for my horses (11 of them) for several years. They are sturdy, easily adjustable to fit varying sizes and shapes, and have excellent hardware.
Faith D on Sep 5, 2019
For the thoroughbred I bought to keep him warm this winter
susan j on Jul 25, 2019
I have been using Tough-1 1200 denier blankets for my horses (11 of them) for several years. They are sturdy, easily adjustable to fit varying sizes and shapes, and have excellent hardware.
Faith D on Sep 5, 2019
This brand fits this particular horse.
Deborah S on Aug 6, 2019
For the thoroughbred I bought to keep him warm this winter
susan j on Jul 25, 2019
Been happy with the brand as my 1680DD sheet lasted beautifully over the winter. My horse plays rough with his friends. Figured the blanket was a good replacement for his current blanket. Price was hard to pass up.
MACKENZIE R on May 1, 2019
need a new blanket for next year. it was on sale
Jill G on Mar 25, 2019
This appears to be a warm, well made, easy to fit (adjustable) blanket. I like all of the color choices. It has good reviews so I will give it a try!
Melodi D on Mar 9, 2019
Perfect for our bitter winters here. Ive been looking for three days non stop and cannot find anything with the right amount of fill and in the color I wanted. Im excited to see my horse in this!
Natalie E on Mar 9, 2019
I bought this blanket a few years ago. It has held up good <br />and kept my horse warm.
Carolyn M on Mar 8, 2019
This is a really well constructed blanket. I have several on horses most of the time when it is real cold out. The blankets are tough! They shed water well and the dirt that is sure to get on them will easily brush off.
English S on Mar 8, 2019
I like the adjustability of the blanket and needed to replace a TuffRider blanket that did not hold up well though it was only used 3 times. The reviews on this blanket were very good.
GLORIA W on Mar 8, 2019
We are having a tough Montana winter and hopefully this will give my horse some protection from the snow and ice.
Linda S on Feb 27, 2019
need heavy weight for Montana liked the adjustable neck
Dianna B on Feb 27, 2019
I've had other Tough 1 blankets that lasted well with my horses. After trying different brands and having this be my mares third blanket I couldn't beat the price for a blanket that I knew would last.
Candace C on Feb 26, 2019
Brand and price are the best. Better than amazon. CS
Codi S on Feb 24, 2019
I need a new blanket for my horse, and I like how the neck part of this blanket is
Donna C on Feb 23, 2019
I need a warm blanket for my horse -- reviews on this were good.<br /><br />And the reviews said the blanket is tough -- so we'll see.
Teresa Q on Feb 22, 2019
Have already purchased one of these blankets and am very satisfied
Susan K on Feb 14, 2019
bought one already good blanket tough
kathy c on Feb 11, 2019
Sale price was great, quality sounded good. Unfortunately, oversold, so will have to wait for restocking (another 6? days).
Deborah B on Feb 6, 2019
made decision. to try it
lee n on Feb 6, 2019
I purchased 2 of these jackets last year and really like the quality. The snuggit neck, good fit, and metal clasps are the main reasons I love this blanket.
Desiree K on Jan 28, 2019
because i liked it
Ann H on Jan 27, 2019
I HAVE PURCHASED ONE OF THESE IN THE PAST, HELD UP FAIRLY WELL.
David M on Jan 26, 2019
The higher neck with adjustments and front gussets for adjusting fit and the waterproofing
Kathy D on Jan 24, 2019
Bought one for my other horse - very happy with it!
Lydia S on Jan 19, 2019
Like the quality
Patti P on Jan 16, 2019
I have one of these and need a second one for the other horse. It's getting cold out and only have certain number of medium and heavy-weighted turnouts.
junglejane on Jan 16, 2019
This is the 2nd time we are ordering this type/brand blanket. We were very pleased with the quality of blanket.
denise k on Jan 11, 2019
warmer
danielle m on Jan 3, 2019
Well had really good reviews.
Patty M on Dec 31, 2018
It looks durable and my horse needed something that is waterproof and warm.
Cynthia M on Dec 29, 2018
I already have one of these blankets for my other horse, and it's really very well made and warm. My horses are old and these blankets will keep them very warm this winter. Very happy to find this blanket and love all the adjustments to make it fit securely!!!
Beverly B on Dec 27, 2018
Price and quality
Cayde O on Dec 27, 2018
good reviews
Jennifer R on Dec 18, 2018
Have been highly satisfied with my other Tough-1 Blankets...especially for the fit...so bought this because of past products and I couldn't pass up the PRICE!!!!!
Michel D on Dec 14, 2018
cost effective
ELIZABETH D on Dec 13, 2018
TIme for new blankets
First Name L on Dec 12, 2018
My horse needs a good blanket for this winter, I read all the reviews and this item seems to be of high quality. A great value for the price!
Dondi C on Dec 12, 2018
I ordered these blankets a couple years back. Other than being a bit to big, because I ordered the wrong size, they are great blankets. The older ones are still in awesome shape that other horses will benefit from their use and my guys will get blankets that hopefully fit them better.
Carrie H on Dec 11, 2018
Very reasonable price - all the features I want - good reviews.
Barbara S on Dec 11, 2018
I ordered this based solely on the reviews of others who are almost ALL happy with this purchase.
Donald T on Dec 9, 2018
I have two of these blankets and they don't rip. I would recommend this blanket
sharon p on Dec 2, 2018
good reviews
Sharry R on Dec 1, 2018
It sounded like what I was looking for and the reviews were good.
Toni B on Nov 29, 2018
Great quality blanket
michele w on Nov 29, 2018
A good turnout blanket for a fair price.
Eileen H on Nov 27, 2018
warm and waterproof, plus has the snug neck
Linda L on Nov 27, 2018
strong fabric and warm winter
Brenda T on Nov 27, 2018
fits great. Holds up well. Will now have bought 4.
Sandra L on Nov 26, 2018
new horse new blanket
Leigh B on Nov 24, 2018
This brand fits this particular horse.
Deborah S on Aug 6, 2019
Been happy with the brand as my 1680DD sheet lasted beautifully over the winter. My horse plays rough with his friends. Figured the blanket was a good replacement for his current blanket. Price was hard to pass up.
MACKENZIE R on May 1, 2019
how do I contact the Tough-1 manufacturer? My blanket ripped on the inside after one winter's use. at a seam. Can I get it repaired?
Kristine T on May 1, 2019
BEST ANSWER: You can forward your comments to consumer@jtidist.com which is the manufacturer of Tough-1.
Does the blanket come with leg straps?
Lyle W on Nov 27, 2018
BEST ANSWER: Yes, it comes with adjustable elastic leg straps. Great blanket. Love the Snuggits for my Morgan horses.
Is this blanket water proof or water resistant?
A shopper on Nov 13, 2018
BEST ANSWER: Yes, it seems to be. I can't say about heavy rain but it is dry if it is snowed on or rolled in, so I would say it is at least water resistant. I have never felt dampness under the blanket when I have checked, but like I said we are more likely to have snow than rain, and our horses don't stay out when it is raining.
my horse measured exactly 75. should i go up a size?
kaitlynn on Sep 23, 2018
BEST ANSWER: If your horse measures exactly 75" from center of chest straight back to the edge of the hindquarters (which is right along the line where the black meets the color on this blanket), then that is his blanket size. That said, you may prefer to size up if he is big-bodied or muscular, and it's also always true that every horse fits some brands better than others.
How do legs straps attach to this one?
Carol C on Sep 19, 2018
BEST ANSWER: There are metal rings sewn into the blanket and clips on the ends of the straps. They’re very sturdy and easy to use.
Does this blanket have clips for a neck cover?
A shopper on Aug 14, 2018
BEST ANSWER: No it doesn't
otherwise, fits great and looks great
How is the shoulder on this? Suitable for a small Arabian? Thanks!
Catherine D on Mar 21, 2017
BEST ANSWER: It may be a bit roomy on a narrow horse. It is super durable and lightweight while keeping the horse comfortably warm. It fit my horse well but he is wide through the shoulder and chest.
what are your hours?
erin hubb on Jan 21, 2017
BEST ANSWER: We are available 8AM-8PM weekdays, Eastern time at 888-809-0751.
What is the difference 1200d to 600 ?
A shopper on Jan 21, 2017
BEST ANSWER: Denier refers to the size or coarseness of the fiber of the blanket. The higher the denier the tougher the outer shell. Blankets vary in the denier and type of fabric. An adequate blanket will be about 600 denier, while the middle range is about 800 denier. The toughest blankets will range from about 1200 denier to 1680 denier. Ballistic nylon is the toughest type of blanket and is the least likely to tear.
what does the one in purple look like? i wish there was a picture of it like the others.
natatie on Jan 12, 2017
BEST ANSWER: The purple is great! I have it for another horse and it's a beautiful, rich color. It was the first snugging blanket I ever ordered and it sold me on tough one products. I would caution that you check the size carefully as mine was mis-marked and is a bit too big for my horse. I have purchased 6 more of these, and all the others fit really well. Hope this helps ??
I live in Fredricksburg Va, I have a thoroughbred who is use to the outdoors but i dont want her to freeze when it snows or the temps drop into the 20's...is this the right blanket?
SUELLEN R on Dec 28, 2016
BEST ANSWER: I love the tough one blankets. I always get at least the 1200d as anything less my horses like to destroy. However I will never order from State Line Tack ever again. I had purchased a new horse and needed blankets to fit her as the temps were dropping. I quickly ordered from State line. I received everything in my order except the blankets I really needed. I called State line to see what happened and was informed they were completely out of stock of the specific color I wanted so it was going to be a while. I expressed my frustrations that had I known about this I would have picked a different color. But when I ordered the blanket it said it was in stock. I was very upset as the temps had dropped extremely low and I had to run to a local store and get a 600d blanket that was destroyed rather quickly but at the time I was desperate. The girl I spoke to was very apologetic and said she would send me a coupon for $20 off my next order. I never received this! Very frustrating situation and therefore have not ordered from state line since.
What does 300g mean?
A shopper on Dec 12, 2016
BEST ANSWER: That is the weight of the blanket. 300g is considered a heavy weight blanket suitable for below 20 degrees.
What causes a Tough-1 blanket to get wet inside when hanging on a blanket rack?
A shopper on Dec 11, 2016
BEST ANSWER: i have never had this problem. I could think maybe if the humidity is high the exterior could sweat and run to the inside. If it was on a horse I'd say it was sweat
Do they keep your horses from getting wet ?
A shopper on Dec 7, 2016
BEST ANSWER: Yes, very well. We get forty eight inches of rain a year, all in fall, winter and spring. These keep my horses dry and warm
is this product waterproof?
A shopper on Nov 28, 2016
BEST ANSWER: The outer shell is waterproof and the seams are covered to prevent water leaking in. I have had very good luck with these blankets keeping my horses warm and dry.
What type of buckles?
Tammy Y on Oct 23, 2016
BEST ANSWER: The front buckles are easy to do clips and have two settings to adjust closure. The under belly closures are T-clasps., with two back leg straps that have the clips like the front. Quick and easy to put on or take off.
Where do you measure your horse for size?
A shopper on Oct 13, 2016
BEST ANSWER: Measuring Instructions: Stand your horse as square as possible, measure from the center of chest around side of the body to the point of the horse's rump just before the tail. If your horse ends up measuring between sizes always round up to the next size to ensure full coverage.
Do you ship to germany and how much would it cost?
Genie on Sep 15, 2016
What blanket for horse with high withers?
A shopper on Jan 22, 2016
BEST ANSWER: My gelding is very high withered and this blanket fits him nicely especially where it can be adjusted around the neckline for a better fit.
Hi everyone- I know it says waterproof, but a few posters have stated that it was NOT. We don't have snow, but a lot of rain. Has your personal experience proved it to be waterproof? Thank you!
Kasey L on Dec 13, 2015
BEST ANSWER: i have several of this blanket. The only area that gets wet in rain is where it runs down the neck but otherwise their bodies are dry. I don't think it's intended to be in rain without shelter. Mine can stay out or come in. These turnouts are super durable and way worth the money. If yours are out 24/7 I think sooner or later they would get wet, but for a horse turned out during the day and in at night it's great.
How does this blanket fit Arabians?
A shopper on Nov 27, 2015
BEST ANSWER: I have a 32 year old arab about 15 hands close to 1000 lbs. Size 72 fit him perfectly. I also have a paso/arab mix different dimensions but about the same height and weight fits him perfectly. The adjustable neck & chest straps make it the best fit for both horses. My paso has a very thick neck and is broader thru the chest. I see this very blanket on half the horses at our barn- in pasture, stalls and paddocks. Its a good blanket
Have a size 72 blanket for my horse right now (that fits good that is saxon) but need replace. How are the sizes for these blankets? Do they run small or would I be okay ordering a 72 again
A shopper on Oct 29, 2015
BEST ANSWER: I bought two and they fit true to size. They do not run small . I just followed the fitting instructions and had no difficulties. Great blanket, easy to put on and take off, and does it's job well.
Does this fit narrow chested horses?
A shopper on Oct 28, 2015
BEST ANSWER: Since I have wide chested quarter horses, I can't specifically answer that question. I can however, validate that there is sufficient adjustment to pull the blanket snuggly around the neck. Because this blanket comes up on the neck a bit, it should work for the more narrow chested horse as long as the length is correct.
Are there matching hoods and do they attach easily and stay in place?
Connie W on Oct 25, 2015
BEST ANSWER: I don't know about the hoods i don't buy or use them. But the blanket is great.. if they are fitted right the don't move side to side.. I love the snuggit neck, i have 2 of them and gettin ready to order a new one for my new horse... to this daye i am goin into my 3rd season of use, still in great condition.
We think that a 70" blanket would fit my horse but the sizes run 69" or 72" for the closest sizes. Which one should I try first?
Stacie C on Oct 4, 2015
BEST ANSWER: Measuring Instructions - Stand your horse as square as possible, measure from the center of chest around side of the body to the point of the horse's rump just before the tail. If you horse ends up measuring between sizes always round up to the next size to ensure full coverage.
When is the red and/or Navy going to be back in stock?
Rachel W on Jul 17, 2015
BEST ANSWER: Unfortunately Tough-1 has not provided us with an estimated date of availability. Inventory is "live" on our site, however, so please do check back.
Why isn't the turquoise and Brown available? It dosen't say its out of stock or anything.
Rachel W on Jul 14, 2015
BEST ANSWER: Unfortunately, this blanket has been discontinued in turquoise.
if the horse measures 68 what size would u buy?
A shopper on Jan 14, 2015
BEST ANSWER: Generally you should go with the size closest to your measurement, which in this case would be a 69.
Stand your horse as square as possible. Measure from the center of the chest around the side of the body to the point of the horse's rump just before the tail. For this blanket, that is right about at the line where the two colors meet. If your horse ends up measuring between sizes, choose the one closest to your measurement unless your horse is particularly big-bodied.
Measuring is usually best done with a helper and a soft or cloth measuring tape. Take the measurement twice to be sure.
Are the buckles in the 300 gram clips or actual buckles ?
A shopper on Jan 5, 2015
BEST ANSWER: on all of the Tough-1 blankets I have there are no buckles, just snaps and T's for surcingles . The snaps on chest have broken and I've had to replace them with brass snaps . Some of the snaps on back leg straps have lost their spring closure. I've had to replace them as well. Having said that, that seems to be the way hardware goes on all blankets I've purchased ( and in my 55 years of training, that's a lot of blankets)
The Tough-1 for me, is a fantastic blanket that fits well and wears the best out of all that I've owned.
Hope this helps. I'm still a faithful customer when i need a blanket
lighter weight in this style?
A shopper on Dec 4, 2014
BEST ANSWER: There is a 150 gram mid/lightweight version of this blanket that is nice. The chest closures are buckles instead of snaps/hooks which I don't like as well, but they work fine. The outer fabric is a lower denier--420 as compared to the 1200 D on the heavier blanket. My 420 D have not held up as well as those with the higher D outer fabric, but they are as nice in every other way.